00:00:02:13 – 00:00:29:23
Dayle
It took me a long time to be successful, so I was very grateful when I was successful because to be on the outside and not included is a wonderful gift and an advantage, because you can see without being seen, you can learn without any focus on you.

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Claudia
Hello and welcome back to Shift Happens. My name is Claudia Mahler and I am your host. Today I’m in conversation with an incredible powerhouse and true trailblazer, Dayle Hadden. Dayle is a Canadian model and actress internationally. She has been on multiple covers of fashion and lifestyle magazines, starred in a variety of movies, and, according to The New York Times, shattered taboos with her multi-year contracts with companies like L’Oreal and Esther Lauder, among others.

00:01:05:13 – 00:01:34:13
Claudia
Dayle broke down barriers in the beauty and fashion industry, addressing ageism early and demanding change. Dayle is a speaker and advocate and the author of two globally acclaimed books. Additionally, as an Unicef ambassador, after having traveled to crisis areas around the globe, Dayle started Women One, a non-for-profit providing access to education for women and girls in extreme living conditions.

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Claudia
The rich conversation with Dayle is a deep lesson on how to grow into self by being in service to others.

00:01:54:14 – 00:02:20:00
Claudia
Hello Dayle Haddon. Hello. I am so thrilled that this is working out and we can be in conversation with each other today for shift happens. I know you are super busy and you just had a huge, huge, intense week during, United Nations General Assembly Week. And so, you know, I am particularly grateful for you to carve out the time.

00:02:20:02 – 00:02:42:13
Claudia
So, Thank you. We are here today to speak about your pivotal moment, and I can’t wait to get to it. But before we start, I always have a few warmup questions for my guests. And the first one is actually, what is your current state of mind?

00:02:42:15 – 00:03:19:20
Dayle
It’s a Sunday. It’s quiet. I feel pretty mellow. I’ve been meditating, and contemplating and studying, so I think it’s a good state. And I’m very glad to do this podcast today because this week even I live uptown this week. I could feel the intensity in the in the city and, it was it was hard to handle, actually, you know, on the I agree, you could feel it, but, I think today it’s raining.

00:03:19:20 – 00:03:24:19
Dayle
It’s a lot of blessings. It’s gentle. And I’m very happy to be here.

00:03:24:21 – 00:03:31:10
Claudia
Thank you. How would you describe your idea of perfect happiness?

00:03:31:11 – 00:04:03:12
Dayle
Being in harmony. Being in harmony with myself. With my life, with the people around me and with the world around me. Being in harmony and having an outlook that is complementary and positive no matter what happens. Because it’s part of what I feel that everything is positive because it’s all for you. Whatever it is, it’s for you.

00:04:03:12 – 00:04:20:01
Dayle
So even if it’s negative, it’s positive. If you can, if you can discover the wisdom of it, and the lessons of it. So that would be perfection would be flowing without resistance to whatever comes my way.

00:04:20:03 – 00:04:21:09
Claudia
Yeah. Beautifully said.

00:04:21:09 – 00:04:30:03
Dayle
And trying to see where my lessons are and where I can make a positive difference. As I flow forward.

00:04:30:05 – 00:04:35:21
Claudia
Lovely. Yes, yes. And with you the flowing aspect is so important. Right.

00:04:35:23 – 00:04:42:22
Dayle
And maybe a little chocolate cake with that. Yeah. So let’s be real. Yeah.

00:04:43:00 – 00:04:47:20
Claudia
Which living person do you most admire?

00:04:47:22 – 00:05:21:11
Dayle
My daughter. I think my daughter, she is brilliant. She is inspiring. She has walked the walk. She walks the walk and has walked through fire and come out the other side as a loving, gorgeous human being filled with wisdom and a great mother, a great daughter, a great friend, to all she meets. So I think I admire her the most.

00:05:21:13 – 00:05:25:13
Dayle
And any I think I might her the most.

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Claudia
Lovely.

00:05:31:11 – 00:06:03:21
Claudia
So you just spoke about the walk. Probably not referring to the catwalk. Yeah. I, I’m so excited actually, to hear about your pivotal moment. Because you shared a little bit with me upfront, but of course, it’s just such an important topic to speak about. Age. About how age is treated, how aging women are treated. But maybe you start in the beginning and give a little background and, frame of what I just said.

00:06:03:22 – 00:06:40:04
Dayle
Yes, I was. I’ve been in the beauty and fashion business. Many, many, many years. I say that I’m a dinosaur in the business because I’ve been around so long and seen so many shifts and changes and it took me a long time to be successful. So I was very grateful. When I was successful, because to be on the outside and not include kid is a wonderful gift and an advantage, because you can see without being seen, you can learn without any focus on you.

00:06:40:05 – 00:07:06:21
Dayle
So I had time to develop and understand truly what the business was about, and that most of the people did not really know, did not really. I wasn’t I didn’t feel corrupted by it. You know, I felt, that I was navigating through something and trying to find my own truths within what I was navigating, and that what people said was very transient.

00:07:06:22 – 00:07:27:15
Dayle
You know, they would say, one day you’re fabulous, one day you’re not fabulous. You’re that wasn’t as interesting to me because I found my I got solidified within my own understanding of my own truth. Because the same people that didn’t think I was beautiful, then suddenly when I was successful, did think I was beautiful. And so I said, well nobody really knows.

00:07:27:19 – 00:07:52:11
Dayle
It’s arbitrary. And so I have to know what is beautiful, what is a beautiful person and how can I translate that beauty, any concept of beauty out through this medium. And what happened was, I was told by the industry after, you know, quite a few years that I was finished and over the hill, and I would never work in the industry again.

00:07:52:13 – 00:07:58:15
Dayle
Mind you, I was 36 years old, so I went, wow, that is so wrong.

00:07:58:17 – 00:08:00:06
Claudia
Yeah. Yes.

00:08:00:08 – 00:08:27:05
Dayle
At the beginning of what I’m doing and who I am, and this industry, this multibillion dollar industry is telling me I am already over. And then I started thinking about it, and I thought, well, then they don’t know. And if they don’t know, then that’s a vacuum. And I’m going to change the perception of aging and what age is from the inside of the industry out.

00:08:27:05 – 00:08:55:06
Dayle
And I went to the library. I did a lot of research, and I came up with unbelievable numbers with the baby boomers. It was like some 40 more plus million, women who were baby boomers at the time. And yet the industry was not speaking to them. So in inadvertently, they were saying they were invisible and had no value, and they were selling products on those very women, on a 20 year old girl who didn’t need those products.

00:08:55:12 – 00:09:03:11
Dayle
So I went, wow, I think I’m onto something. And I really was on the forefront of changing the aging. Yeah.

00:09:03:13 – 00:09:34:19
Claudia
And, I mean, yay, thank you, thank you. But obviously a tough and a long fight. And, at the time when when it was said to you, your colleagues and friends in the business, other women, other models, would they feel the same as you? Would they stick with you on this new to pave this new way forward, or were they kind of complying to the outside judgment or the industry’s judgment that they’ve had their time?

00:09:34:21 – 00:09:54:13
Dayle
I think there was an unwritten law, so to speak, that once you approached the age of 40, you know, when you were going up there, which I call, you know, the door opens because you are suddenly the age of your mother. You know, you’re more conscious of the age. I think they just was an agreement. They were in an agreement.

00:09:54:13 – 00:10:22:04
Dayle
And I think it was very exciting when I came out and spoke about that, because I do believe, I feel I’m very logical, and I do believe we are logical, and it is not logical for anyone. And it’s not sovereign either, for anyone to say that any point of your life is any less valuable than any other point.

00:10:22:07 – 00:10:59:17
Dayle
That just logical to me because it’s my life and I have to own it, and I’m not going to let. I don’t care how big the industry is. And industry tell me that I don’t hold value and women don’t hold value after a certain number or a certain age. So, I think my perception was if I can expand that out and say logically, you know, we have a beginning of life, we have a middle of life, and we have an end of life, and it’s an arc, and every part of it is valuable and important because you are alive.

00:10:59:18 – 00:11:21:05
Dayle
So then it’s up to us to agree to disagree with that understanding and change their perception. So I think when it was presented, women got very excited. They liked it. And they like you’re right. That’s right. And then people would say to me, well, did you feel insecure when they said that? And I actually said, no, not at all.

00:11:21:05 – 00:11:48:05
Dayle
I thought they were wrong. And I think that’s what’s very important is to when you’re very connected to yourself, is is it’s not to be in flux, but to be to have a, a true understanding of where the value is all the time, so that you’re always in touch with what is valuable and what is not valuable, what is fleeting, what is, you know, important to put your attention and energy on.

00:11:48:07 – 00:11:58:12
Claudia
Which, of course, is such a challenge, right in the fashion and beauty industry because it’s so quick and transactional and yet so speedy. Yeah, you’re either with it or not.

00:11:58:14 – 00:12:26:19
Dayle
Exactly. And I got dismissed a lot of different things. I get dismissed sometimes in projects because I’m a model, so I just have to work harder. That’s what I feel like and prove my value. You know, speak my words that underline and and support what I think we all should search for. I mean, we’re all doing different things and we have interests.

00:12:26:21 – 00:12:52:05
Dayle
But I think if we’re not really searching for, what is meaning for us, then I think we come up empty handed. Empty handed. So it’s an ongoing it’s an ongoing situation and there’s an ongoing dismissals, and it’s a day to day thing. And it’s really up to us to shift to make the shift happen, even if it’s just interactions with regular people.

00:12:52:05 – 00:13:07:01
Dayle
Make the shift happen yourself. You know, if it’s not happening to you, make it happen for somebody else, you know, validate them, tell them how good their work was, you know, and then suddenly you get it back to yourself, you know.

00:13:07:03 – 00:13:30:09
Claudia
Yeah. And I mean I’ve experienced you or I’ve been lucky to experience you and see you in so many ways. And you always have this like open share ring attitude. So really always supporting others. Yeah I mean it’s so vibrant and energizing. It’s really special and stands out. But I want to go back again to that point where you were told, you know, this is it.

00:13:30:09 – 00:13:53:19
Claudia
And you decided to not only question that, but, you know, go against that opinion and stand up for it. It must have been difficult at the time. So I’m also wondering, like now looking back, what do you think you’ve learned out of this decision not to go with what you’ve been told and to go against the common understanding?

00:13:53:21 – 00:14:24:13
Dayle
You know, it’s a learning process. There’s not only one thing I learned. I did learn that the powers that be out there don’t necessarily know. And so it has to filter through to who you are as a person, you know, and what what kind of person you want to be and how you want to show up. For it to be truth for you, because my truth might not be the truth of somebody else, but it it has to suit me.

00:14:24:15 – 00:14:49:11
Dayle
So I have to feel comfortable at the end of the day that I feel that I acted on my truth. I spoke from my truth. You know, I think we choose whether we’re service to self or service to others. And I like to make more decisions about towards service to others, because I find that is a very rewarding way to live.

00:14:49:12 – 00:15:15:22
Dayle
And that’s my personal choice. And people can have another choice. I just feel it can be very empty and not satisfying, not rich, not enriching, not at a time of learning. Do you know if if it’s service to self because it’s all about me and me and receiving, you know, so so that’s a choice I make. I hope I answered your, your question right because I think I, I went off a little bit.

00:15:15:22 – 00:15:41:21
Claudia
Yeah. I mean I actually, yes. But also in this at this time then, you know, I mean working in this industry where it’s also so much about the outside and the appearance and the perfection, and then you decide to go against it. I mean, I’m sure it required a lot of strength and pulling yourself together to not be compliant necessarily of the, of the then status quo.

00:15:41:23 – 00:16:10:12
Dayle
Yeah. Sometimes it doesn’t feel good to be rejected, of course, but I think my larger thing is, again, you know, what is important and, the status quo for me or to be rejected about that or to be not understand that we can’t always be in the center of the spotlight on the stage, that there is a time for that.

00:16:10:14 – 00:16:32:16
Dayle
And then for me, it’s not really appropriate to do, you know, let the younger ones, the ones that are coming up, be in the spotlight. And then maybe somebody said, how does it feel to be off the stage? I don’t I’m not off the stage. Yeah, but I’m not maybe in the center light. And I have that and I’m very grateful for it.

00:16:32:16 – 00:16:56:07
Dayle
I have been given a lot, but it’s other people’s terms. And now I’m in a phase in my life where I’m more like the elder statesman. Time and age give you wisdom. Hopefully, if you’re on the right path. And that’s I think you that’s my my trading point, you know that I am not going to try to hold on to this.

00:16:56:07 – 00:17:20:02
Dayle
Do you know that I don’t get anything? Because that’s not natural. That’s not logical. I will lose some things physically on the outside, but I will gain hopefully so much more. That’s what I’m working on on the inside. And that true really is a merging is the merging of the inner you and the mixed with the physical you, the two.

00:17:20:04 – 00:17:53:06
Dayle
And so if one is truly beautiful, who has a real understanding of what beauty is, then one should be beautiful all their life. And I think we were asking about how did the understanding come? I don’t think it’s so much comes from effort. It’s really grace. I think if you’re grateful, then grace comes in your life and I love this saying, this great saying by great saint that self effort and grace are two wings of the bird.

00:17:53:08 – 00:18:23:20
Dayle
And you know you can’t just self effort your way through life and you can’t just hope that all good things will happen. The two have to work together so that you move forward in a graceful way, and that that’s another choice that I want to make, that the process, the aging process or the the traveling through this, this journey called life is a beautiful and a graceful one and, an interesting and a rewarding one and a a journey of giving back.

00:18:23:21 – 00:18:28:05
Dayle
Been given a lot. I, I must, must give it back.

00:18:28:07 – 00:18:45:11
Claudia
Well and you have and you are constantly I want to of course point out and let you talk a little bit about your, the foundation that you started a few years back. Women won bringing education to women and girls in Africa, mostly African countries, correct.

00:18:45:11 – 00:18:51:16
Dayle
Mostly Africa, but Syrian refugees as well. And in Turkey and six countries we really been working in. Yeah.

00:18:51:21 – 00:19:12:04
Claudia
That’s amazing. So if you could talk a little bit about when you started and what your way has been through this, and of course also what you learned, I’m sure that it also expands on the emotion and experience of beauty. Yeah. And and it gives it a completely different, definition almost. And character.

00:19:12:06 – 00:19:43:05
Dayle
It really does. It’s interesting that you say that because it started when I went through that journey and that shift up for myself. I felt that there was a need of a book to write about the areas that I felt were important for women to focus on, and I wrote two books. Both of them were bestsellers, include Being in Europe and China, and I traveled all across America, 26 cities and 20 talking to women and talking to women in Europe and in China.

00:19:43:05 – 00:20:06:02
Dayle
All about what are we facing, what are the problems? What are the challenges as a woman, where do we want to go? And it was extremely rewarding, and I wanted to take it a step further with more disenfranchized women and girls. And so I started as a Unicef ambassador because coming from the world of modeling, it can be defined as a little superficial.

00:20:06:04 – 00:20:34:12
Dayle
I don’t agree, because I was successful later, and it gave me a great opportunity to come up with ideas to be self-taught and to work with great, great talent, great artists, you know? So I was very fortunate in that way. So I became a Unicef ambassador. I traveled for them all over Africa, some very, very difficult trips, some held up by gunpoint, dirty, you know, the dirty places.

00:20:34:12 – 00:21:02:14
Dayle
Not not for star or anything like that. With some of the organizations. And it was helpful because it balanced out the perception of being spoiled or being in a four star hotel or, you know, of the idea of what a model is. And there was a moment where I decided to start my own organization called Women One, because all of the the things that these organizations do, including Unicef, are fabulous.

00:21:02:16 – 00:21:24:06
Dayle
You know, whether it’s food or shelter or all of those things. But education to me was a game changer. If you educated a girl, she would probably have. Well, she will have more healthy children. Educated children, help the community. So I’m trying to figure out all the things that they do. So many things. Anyway. So that’s what I started.

00:21:24:06 – 00:21:45:08
Dayle
And we started in, I actually started in Kenya, but then with Unicef, we went all over from Darfur, which is a very difficult trip, to the Congo, more difficult. I didn’t go with Unicef. I went with another organization that was very terrifying because we were were held up by gunpoint. And it can be very rough these trips.

00:21:45:10 – 00:22:09:04
Dayle
But I would come back and then it would be another world. So there’s two worlds and that exchange was really incredible. You were talking about the beauty. And when you bring the esthetic of the of the fashion world and the beauty world over there, they get it. And then their wonderful way they hold joy and the ability to do so much with so little comes back here.

00:22:09:06 – 00:22:32:03
Dayle
And I could speak to the great organizations like LVMH and L’Oreal and all of the Dior, the those organizations and say to them, let’s think outside the box and find ways that we can help these young girls. And and Mastercard is another one, these young girls and women. And so it was a great complicity. It challenged me a lot.

00:22:32:03 – 00:22:54:03
Dayle
I learned a lot. And it was a progression for me as well. What was I going to do with all that was given to me? And so it’s still ongoing. And I really, really it’s very satisfying work. I speak with a lot of the girls on the phone you know, advising them I don’t have a summer job help me you know.

00:22:54:03 – 00:23:21:09
Dayle
So I call my different people and I just love them. They’re just extraordinary human beings that came from, you know, really very, very difficult stories. You could just cry, you know, sometimes just hold hands and cry because it’s so hard to doing these incredible things and with the support and help of everybody out there, we can make a difference for these hard to reach girls, you know.

00:23:21:11 – 00:23:50:00
Claudia
Wow. Thank you for all this work. Now it’s very inspirational. And so what is next for you with this work or in general. And you referred to yourself before a little bit as the elderly states. Woman. So are you still in contact with a lot of younger models? I mean, I’m sure that everybody seeks your advice and input on how to model the model career.

00:23:50:01 – 00:24:06:08
Dayle
You know, I end up that’s so funny. I don’t think a lot of the young girls, I think they’re in their own lane and they’re doing great if they want to speak with me. I am so open to speaking to them and, you know, encouraging them to go further and to do other things. And I think they’re pretty good at that.

00:24:06:10 – 00:24:36:02
Dayle
I’m asked a lot to speak at conferences about it. What do you think about the beauty, wisdom, the wisdom of aging and what happens, or about the power of education and how it can transform a young girl’s life and and refugees lives? Because I’ve been in the refugee camps a lot as well. So I’m asked a lot still to dress all my friends.

00:24:36:04 – 00:25:04:23
Dayle
And, you know, it’s so fun. And I love it because I really love helping women connect to their inner beautiful women, you know? And when they see it on the outside, I sometimes I cry because they go, wow, I’m beautiful. And yes, you are beautiful, but sometimes people don’t have those tools to get there. And and I like I know all the stories and I, I don’t get anything for it, but I just get the satisfaction.

00:25:05:03 – 00:25:40:08
Dayle
But they usually call me and say, help me look for this or I’ll send them a little. You know, try this dress, try these pants, or have to have this. You know, I’ve always loved dressing up. You have to show up in clothes. So I don’t think it’s superficial. I mean, when I did research for my books, I spoke with doctors who said they’ve noticed when women patients did something as simple as just wash their hair or put lipstick on, they noticed that they heal faster, from their operations and or their illness, and they didn’t ask for their pain medicine as much.

00:25:40:14 – 00:26:02:15
Dayle
So I think that there’s a real power in physically making yourself look your best. It’s the easiest way to change things, because if you feel that you look good, then you will probably do good. But I think that if you think you don’t look well, then you’re probably going to stay at home and not go to that party or not go to that event because you don’t want to be judged, you know?

00:26:02:15 – 00:26:28:23
Dayle
And I think if you break that a little bit and that’s what some of my books were about, if you can break that pattern and burst through it and try to get something that makes you feel confident, then you are more open and able to give your unique gift. And we all have it. And my, you know, not everybody is meant to go to Africa like none of my my friends, my girlfriends want to do that big a deal.

00:26:28:23 – 00:26:53:05
Dayle
What are you doing? But I think it’s for me. It’s what I like. I have the time. I have the inclination. I learn a lot. I need to be first hand. I need to hold the hand, hear the story, have the experience. Because then I can come back and share the story and get people that don’t have the time to do that, that are busy with their jobs, to come up with other ways.

00:26:53:06 – 00:27:15:03
Dayle
Like LVMH mentored my girls for six months, you know, over the internet. And that enabled one of the girls who was at eight years old. We found her living on the street at 19 to win the Mastercard Foundation, a leadership scholarship to go to university. So there’s all ways that we can help. You don’t have to go to Africa to help that just my way.

00:27:15:05 – 00:27:31:09
Dayle
So I think more of the same and different ways that different ways I can work with people to give back in any way I can. And if it’s just dressing, I mean I had my niece call me and said I’m working with somebody, she’s coming from Canada and she’s a really big speaker. Can you help her get dressed?

00:27:31:09 – 00:27:47:14
Dayle
And I went, I don’t know her. You know, I spent two days with her, got her hair colored, got her haircut, you know, went to all that and I just had fun. I got to experience her. It’s vulnerable. It’s fun, it’s exciting. It’s like being a little girl again. You know? It’s fun to dress up, right?

00:27:47:17 – 00:28:06:23
Claudia
Yeah. It’s fun. It’s. And it’s great because I think dressing and doing all these things to oneself is not, as you said, it’s not at all superficial. It’s a form of an important form of South Korea. Yeah. And that’s how our society works. I mean, there’s those signals that we send out when we feel good in our skin.

00:28:06:23 – 00:28:30:08
Claudia
And it’s not just the skin, skin, it’s also the garment. Yeah, I agree, but I want to ask you. So, looking at it today, of course, you know, it has changed. So we see a lot of models that are much older than 36, an advertisement, you know, on the catwalks. And it’s a big thing, which I think is great, finally.

00:28:30:10 – 00:28:55:06
Claudia
But will this stay? So are we transforming into a society that will embrace age differently because we are all on our way to live longer, or is it more of a trend? You know, it’s just very cool to work with elderly men or particularly elderly women or I don’t even know what the right term as. Yeah. That will, you know, go by eventually.

00:28:55:08 – 00:28:56:17
Claudia
What do you think?

00:28:56:19 – 00:29:22:19
Dayle
I do not think it’s a, just a whim or a fad. I think when I was researching my books again at the turn of the century, the average age of a woman was 46 years old. So we’ve come a long way since then. The turn of 1900s, not 2019. So. And I think I like to think that I was on the forefront of helping that change.

00:29:22:21 – 00:29:37:21
Dayle
I think I love when I see older women in their beauty, in shining. I love to see it because it opens up the range and I don’t think that we will replace youth because youth do this.

00:29:37:21 – 00:29:38:15
Claudia
Youth.

00:29:38:17 – 00:30:04:01
Dayle
Yeah. This is it is full of promise. And it’s gorgeous and it’s wonderful, but it’s really nice not only for us to see ourselves reflected in beautiful older women and the possibilities. It’s also good for the young people, you know, to see, to stretch the runway out for them, that they don’t feel that they have to have everything and be famous and do everything.

00:30:04:03 – 00:30:22:03
Dayle
Only in their 20s. I when I was in Saudi Arabia, I actually was talking to some young girls that were asking my advice. And when I sit down and talk with them and they were basically saying, and I had this not only in Saudi Arabia, but in other countries where I said, what’s your biggest fear? And the girls are 22.

00:30:22:03 – 00:30:40:09
Dayle
And she said, getting old. And I said, what’s old? And she said, 50. So I said, do I look old because I’m older than 59? And she said, no, you don’t. I said, well, there you go. I’m just saying it lengthens the runway for the young people that they see where they can go and it’s not scary.

00:30:40:11 – 00:31:03:21
Dayle
Because we as women and girls, the girls have to be sovereign and own our life that every age has gifts to give us. Every age has secrets. And if we desperately hold on to the prior age afraid to blossom into the other ages, we will never hear what those ages have to offer us. And I have many of my girlfriends go, okay, what’s my 60s?

00:31:03:21 – 00:31:22:22
Dayle
Like? I said, serene, okay, what’s my 50s like? Kick butt? And yes, I have a friend who was just turning 50. She said, well, you always say that 50s are kick. But I said, yeah, because the 50s are where you feel pretty much fully formed. It’s where you say, this is mine and I’m taking this area, you know, and I’m going to make something of it.

00:31:23:01 – 00:31:50:10
Dayle
You’re building in your 30s and your 40s. You’re building who you are. So I think that all the ages and hopefully, I mean, I’m discovering the different levels and ages and, you know, how that support or platform reflects honestly for me, towards me going forward and also going backward and for the people around me. How does it reflect authentically?

00:31:50:11 – 00:32:00:12
Dayle
Because I don’t know either. It’s not written out. What, what what is 70? What is 80? What is 90? Yeah. Can you be in your 90 I don’t know, you know we’ll see.

00:32:00:18 – 00:32:02:02
Claudia
Yeah we’ll see. Yeah.

00:32:02:05 – 00:32:27:14
Dayle
But I if you stay curious, if you stay interested, if you stay healthy and energetic, like working out is really important to me because it gives me energy. And I mix it up with a little mini trampoline with my gym downstairs, a lot of walking and yoga. So. And you know, my meditation, all of those, you work on your mind and work on the body.

00:32:27:16 – 00:32:35:20
Dayle
So then that will be your entry point into what your 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s will be.

00:32:35:20 – 00:32:43:13
Claudia
Yeah, because it also cultivates a different feeling for yourself if you’re so connected to yourself physically. Also, every day it’s a.

00:32:43:13 – 00:33:09:00
Dayle
Recipe in making a recipe of your life. And you know, if you’re at all cooking, if you put in too much butter, it’s going to be a little wishy washy cake, you know? So you gotta put in the good thinking, the actions towards others, you know, have a philosophy and understanding of what aging is about, what your life and where the value is, because wants and needs are ephemeral.

00:33:09:00 – 00:33:29:21
Dayle
As soon as you get what you want, you’re going to replace it with another want. But values what your values. I, we mentioned that when we were talking like what you value stays permanently. And so it’s very good to make that list. So here’s what I want and here’s what I value. And that is a good guide for where to go.

00:33:29:23 – 00:33:53:21
Claudia
Yeah. Wonderful last question. You shared a little bit what your beauty hacks are in terms of working out. But if you have something else please share it. And also how do you relax? And you also mentioned that working out energizes you. Anything else that you also do to give yourself energy. So basically you know, how do you relax, what gives you energy.

00:33:53:21 – 00:33:55:17
Claudia
And and 1 or 2 beauty hacks.

00:33:55:17 – 00:34:30:05
Dayle
Yeah. Well it’s different things. If I’m like really irritated or I will clean. So that’s really. Yes. And then when I do is I put music on. Also when I cook I’ll put music on like I like or old fashioned music like, I really like Marc Anthony because I think they’re happy. You know, I think, you know, the temptation is, you know, any music like ABBA and then I will, I will do the thing I’m doing and then I will stop, you know, because I think you can change your vibration by just moving your body, by dancing.

00:34:30:11 – 00:34:50:04
Dayle
I think it’s divine. I think you’re moving the body and you’re communicating to the body that energy is happening. So I think if you feel depressed or down, which we all do at a certain point, that can be another key thing to do. I meditate regularly every single day. I meditate and I have my own way to do it.

00:34:50:04 – 00:35:15:17
Dayle
And I have singing bowls that I do and sound things and, and protections that I do, because there’s a lot of negative energy that can come your way. So you really need to counteract it by strengthening your heart. I definitely do the workout and a lot of walking nature whenever I’m in nature or listen to birds, listen to the sounds really, I like being with my friends.

00:35:15:19 – 00:35:37:00
Dayle
I like clothes, I like, I like fashion, I like trying to look through and say what is useful, not closed to just by them, but what is useful. And that is kind of a tool that can interpret me in a way that I want to be interpreted, or how I feel. So I will turn on music, I will take a bath.

00:35:37:00 – 00:35:57:12
Dayle
If I need that relaxation, I will even take a nap if I need it. I had a friend that I always thought that was ridiculous, but sometimes you need to rest. Do you know, just, if you need to dream a little bit? I read a lot. I do knitting. Oh, and some embroidery. I like that, although sometimes confining.

00:35:57:12 – 00:36:22:00
Dayle
But my daughter sometimes will come to me and she’ll say, see this hat? Can you make this for me? And I go, oh God, I don’t even have those. So I have to go and I have to learn how to do it. But I finished the last scarf I did for her for Christmas. Took me three years, but I did it, I did it, I’m thinking about writing a third book, and it takes a lot of energy, but I have an eye for it, so I’m thinking about that.

00:36:22:02 – 00:36:46:01
Dayle
I can stay creative and just stay in it. Go to the museum sometimes, I try to think of all the different things that I love riding a bike. I love moving the body because if you move your body, it’s very hard to be depressed or down. Yeah, just turn on music if you don’t want to do all of that and just just say, Dayle said this and I’m going to turn on the mic and I’m going to do it.

00:36:46:07 – 00:37:11:23
Dayle
You know, if I can leave you with one thing because it is divine, just, you know, just any kind of stupid little movement, you know, or twist or like, you know, all of those things. I think that’s very handy and just go together with, with like minded people and communicating, you know, with them, you know, going to with groups and listening to what your local chapters have to offer.

00:37:11:23 – 00:37:36:18
Dayle
It’s all good. I’m also protect my energy because I don’t want to go to everything because I could try to figure out intuitively what, who is going to be there. Are they going to take more than from me than I can offer. Because we all we have is our energy. We have. It’s precious. We have to take care of it, and we can do that with some of the things that I suggested.

00:37:36:20 – 00:37:38:20
Dayle
We can build it up, you know.

00:37:38:22 – 00:37:50:19
Claudia
True. RDA wonderful. Well thank you so much. This has been really beautiful. You have to tell me the names of your books please.

00:37:50:21 – 00:38:21:22
Dayle
Yes. It’s the first one was called Ageless Beauty and that’s about inner and outer beauty. It’s a big picture book. And the other was the Five Principles of Ageless Living. By nonprofit. You can you can log on to the website, which is women 1.org. Oh, any women or any.org. I also would like to say, you know, that somebody asked me after I did that whole event at at Trow that you were at, you know, and dressing women and holding things and lifting up collars and stuff like that.

00:38:22:04 – 00:38:34:03
Dayle
They said, well, you want to come downtown to Soho, to Jennie Kane, because Claudia is doing a round table. And I sat there and I go, do I have the energy? And I’m so glad I said yes.

00:38:34:06 – 00:38:34:21
Claudia
Me too.

00:38:34:21 – 00:38:54:18
Dayle
So I said yes. And you had all these young girls in their 20s, all in a circle. And do you know Claudia? They’ve all reached out and there we have coffee. We’re going to have coffee together and get together. So I really wanted to thank you for that, for your initiative became my gift. Well, so thank.

00:38:54:18 – 00:39:04:20
Claudia
You for coming. Yes. These salons always have an amazing energy. And it’s every time a surprise and an enrichment what comes out. So yeah, it’s cute.

00:39:04:22 – 00:39:18:03
Dayle
I hope you people who are listening will, you know, log on to the website women 1.org or look at the books or reach out to me on Instagram. Still hadn’t DM me because I usually do and I answer everybody.

00:39:18:03 – 00:39:28:03
Claudia
Fantastic, I try, wow, you have so much energy. Very inspirational. All right. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful rest of your Sunday.

00:39:28:04 – 00:39:31:01
Dayle
I will and I will see you in the city. Right, Claudia?

00:39:31:01 – 00:39:45:23
Claudia
Absolutely, absolutely. Very soon.

00:39:46:01 – 00:40:11:10
Claudia
My takeaway today was this quote from Dale. What was I going to do with all that’s been given to me? This is such a strong scent and so true and such an important reminder to be grateful, to know yourself, and to whole heartedly and graceful be there for others. A.

00:40:11:12 – 00:40:36:12
Claudia
Shift happens, has been created and is hosted by me. Claudia Mahler, editing Andy Boroson social media. Magda Reckendrees. I hope you felt connected and heard by listening to Shift Happens, and please leave a review and a rating wherever you listen to podcasts.